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267677

the green belt was created in 1955

Supports: 267685

267681

as George Buskell already outlined, we live in a very different society

Supports: 267685

267685

the green belt isn't necessarily a thing

267691

the green belt is manmade

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267695

the green belt is created by humans

267691

267699

we can tear the green belt up and remake a different policy better-suited to our needs

Supports: 267685

267712

you can tear the green belt up and remake a different policy better-suited to our needs

267718

developers are arguing all the time that we can tear the green belt up and remake a different policy better-suited to our needs

267723

the only people who actually argue for development on the green belt are developers

267728

developers actually want to increase their profit margins

Supports: 267723

267733

common sense says you don't want to pay for the countryside next door to where most of your urban population live

267738

developers do want to tear it up

267743

it's a constraint

Supports: 267738

267750

it's been a very successful constraint

267743

267757

if it's a constraint, we should take away the constraint that should stop affordable houses being built in the right places

267762

it's not just about creating the homes for people who want them, but they need to be in the right area

Supports: 267757

267769

Tom Fyans would love that to be the right case in some ways

267774

we don't have a housing market that's delivering affordable homes

267779

developers want the green belt

267784

the green belt is cheap

Supports: 267779

267791

developers are not bothered by the environmental benefits that we have as users when we use the green belt

Supports: 267779

267799

if the green belt is cheap, than certainly by opening up the entire area, you're gonna create the idea and the ability to create affordable homes in that area

Attacks: 267774

267804

by opening up the entire area, we could create the idea and the ability to create affordable homes in that area if we had a house building sector that could build houses

267809

we've built less than 200 thousand homes a year consistently for the last 10, 20 years

Supports: 267814

267814

we're just not building the houses

Supports: 267849

267821

there's a constraint in supply

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267828

the constraint in supply is often made intentionally by some of the developers

Supports: 267814

267835

there's a skill shortage

Supports: 267814

267839

there's a material shortage

Supports: 267814

267849

there is just not the model at the moment

267853

councils are not allowed to borrow money to build social or affordable housing

Supports: 267857

Supports: 267849

267857

we've got a problem

267868

Tom Fyans is not disputing we've got a serious affordability problem

267857

267875

it's not really the green belt is often the easy bogeyman

267880

it's just not true that the green belt is the easy bogeyman

267875

267887

if you opened up the green belt area that is so valuable to many people, that the housing market would adapt itself to enable affordable houses to be built in the areas that people want to live in

267892

Tom Fyans doesn't think that if you opened up the green belt area that is so valuable to many people, that the housing market would adapt itself to enable affordable houses to be built in the areas that people want to live in

Attacks: 267887

267899

when you get planning permission on a piece of land, it goes up in value about 300 times

Supports: 267892

Supports: 267906

267906

that's a land market problem that we've got

267913

that's an economic problem

267906

267920

communities don't benefit from that

Supports: 267906

267927

the landowner benefits from that

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267934

then the developer benefits from that by then building unaffordable houses

Supports: 267906

267941

community don't benefit at all

267920

Supports: 267948

267948

you don't get that support for that type of housing in communities across the country at the moment